LN Forum RIP?

[john_h]

Well, it had to happen sooner or later (http://forum.libranet.com/), I guess. I dropped by on Sunday and there'd been one post in the previous week, and now:
Sorry, but this board is currently unavailable. Please try again later.
The archive may still be in existence, but it is not accessible - each link just gives the same message as set out above.

*sigh*

:cry:

[fos]

It has been down for several days now. Maybe it is just temporary?

Thanks for joining us John.

fos....

[bluesdog]

Maybe it is just temporary? Sure. I wonder how long 'temporary' is?
:(

[john_h]

Thanks for joining us John.
Thank you. I think I've been here before, but it's been a while since I dropped by and I think my account got deleted.

Maybe it is just temporary? Sure. I wonder how long 'temporary' is?
Perhaps it's closed for "restructuring". *double sigh*

[darkman]

I haven't stopped by the Libranet forums for a while. I stopped by today to browze old threads. :( Noticed everything was closed.

[morgoth]

Well colour me silly, I did have an account for these forums lol. I noted the lack of Libranet forums - they've been done since at least Saturday AEST. I doubt that they'll come back up to be honest. I think a lot of people knew that it was going to happen.

What I simply cannot understand is Tal's insistence on not keeping the community in the light of things, but in the dark. If you're going to close the forums down, post a topic, let it sit for 48 hours, then do it, just don't close it down at a whim.

Furthermore, I see no reason not to open up Adminmenu and GPL it. I doubt very much that Tal will find any investors, either now, in the near future, or in the distant future. By withholding it from the community, he will only damage the community out of selfishness. I'm going to send him an email later today asking about the forums etc.

I can wholly understand Tal's decision to cease Libranet on his personal experiences of the past 18 months or more, but I cannot understand his logic with regards to Libranet's codebase.

Cheers for now.

Dave

[shivandeveloper]

What I don't understand is letting the knowledge rot. It was contributed by the community, a DB dump should be made available. If Tal wants to keep Adminmenu for whatever reason, that is his choice and it's moral. I'm not sure it's moral to destroy everyone's contributions without notice and without offering it back to the contributors. I am a trifle disappointed.

[benjaminq]

Yes, it had to happen. I think the overall interest in the LN forum dropped to below zero and the spambots were enering in masses.

The remnants of LN should be GPLed, I cannot see any logical reason why the code should be lost. I don't see an emotional issue either: if a part of the ideas and the vision of LN can live on, its written down in the code. So to bury it is from my point of view much tearier than knowing that some of the spirit roots the genealogy of something new ...

Anyway, I can strongly recommend the new Mepis, it really runs very nice here.

I will do a Kubuntu installation later for comparison and the clean room implementation of Adminmenu.

Benjamin

[danieldk]

Not so nice indeed. Today someone asked me about the CentOS/YUM HOWTO I wrote, unfortunately, I can't access it to make a copy here. I have sent Tal an e-mail to ask whether he can enable the board in read-only mode for a week or so, so that we can migrate the HOWTOs that we have written.

[fos]

The Libranet forum was mostly user driven as is 99% of gnu/linux/Libranet OS.

Tal "should" release a dump of the LN Forum database. It could be archived here, free and advertisement free for the foreseeable future. It would be locked allowing on read access. At least it would be available useful to the remaining Libranet community.

fos...

[danieldk]

But I think it will be difficult to get a right mapping of user accounts.

[fos]

// right mapping of user accounts

Couldn't we just make a separate locked forum and provide a link back and forth?

fos...

[danieldk]

Yeah, that would be nice.

[Lavene]

Didn't Tal move to his girlfriend in another city? Guess the community that have suported him for a long time kinda got forgotten in that process...

But man... this sucks! A lot of us has spent a substantial amount of time on contributions to the LN forum and now it's unavailable. I've linked to a few howtos there from the Debian forum (http://forums.debian.net/), but now I wish I had copied them instead. Atleast I have copies of some of the larger posts I've made.

To be honest; this prooves to me that Tal just don't give a sh** anymore and that's really sad... :|

Tina

[Ed]

Daniel,
I copied the text for your CentOS/YUM HOWTO. I thought it would be a valueable thing to have if/when I migrated to CentOS.

- Ed

[danieldk]

I copied the text for your CentOS/YUM HOWTO. I thought it would be a valueable thing to have if/when I migrated to CentOS.

Wow, cool :). Could you send it to me?

[AndreL]

What I simply cannot understand is Tal's insistence on not keeping the community in the light of things, but in the dark. If you're going to close the forums down, post a topic, let it sit for 48 hours, then do it, just don't close it down at a whim. To be honest; this prooves to me that Tal just don't give a sh** anymore and that's really sad... :|
They never really cared about the forum users, really... Remember how much we pounded on their door before LN3 release?
Not a hint, not a clue, just total silence and "the hell with you!"
Sad indeed.

Anyhow, Libranet was a darn good piece of software (thanks to Jon). I installed 2.8 once upgraded to 3.0 once and it never broke since...
I don't know where I'm going to go next. Pure Debian (etch)? How good is the installer? Many praise Mepis. For some unknown reason, I don't trust the "buntu" family...

[Lavene]

I don't know where I'm going to go next. Pure Debian (etch)? How good is the installer? Many praise Mepis. For some unknown reason, I don't trust the "buntu" family...

Personally I recomend going with 'the real thing'... Pure Debian. Etch is very stable now and the intention is that it will go stable later this year as I understand it, keeping in mind that Debian never release anything before it's ready (which is a huge pluss in my book).

The text based installer is fairly stright forward with no big surprices. The HW detection is not at all bad although I don't know how well it handles bleeding edge hardware. I haven't tried the new graphical installer but I hear good things about it.

It might be a little more 'work' to install Debian proper than the Debian derivatives like Mepis and (*)ubuntu but I like the added controll of what is actually installed. But I guess if you don't want to be bothered by having to decide what you want to install and rather want to leave that to the distro authors then the readymade distros is a suitable choice.

The readymade distros (Mepis, Ubuntu etc) offers maximum ease when it comes to installation wheras Debian offers maximum freedom.

Just my two cents :)

Tina

[AndreL]

Personally I recomend going with 'the real thing'... Pure Debian. Etch is very stable now and the intention is that it will go stable later this year as I understand it, Yeah. That is what I will probably do.
keeping in mind that Debian never release anything before it's ready (which is a huge pluss in my book). Besides the fact that it doesn't belong to anyone...
It might be a little more 'work' to install Debian proper than the Debian derivatives like Mepis and (*)ubuntu but I like the added controll of what is actually installed.Me too!

Take care.

[danieldk]

An archive of the Libranet forum is now online, have a look at:
http://debianquestions.com/viewtopic.php?t=269

for the announcement.

[jpaulb]

Have you looked at the libranet forum recently The is a construction sign.
This Site Is Under Construction and Coming Soon.

Maybe a new Tim Horton's :lol:

[deanlinkous]

domain name expired?

Welcome to the wayback machine... visit libranet from long ago

http://web.archive.org/web/*/libranet.com
(copy and paste required)

[danieldk]

Have you looked at the libranet forum recently The is a construction sign.
This Site Is Under Construction and Coming Soon.

I think/guess that Tal ended his dedicated hosting contract. He was planning to forward forum.libranet.com to our read-only archive.

[morgoth]

This is pretty sad. When was Tal going to tell us? After the event no doubt. I knew that as soon as the forum was down for more than 48 hours, that was the end of Libranet. Very disappointing. At least we got a dbase dump, well done Daniel. Links still aren't working btw (just tested it). I do admit that I'm perplexed by Tal's behaviour, his lack of communication to the community, the slowness of a response [re: dbase dump], the lack of giving us the common courtesy of knowing that he'd be taking the Libranet forums offline at a particular date/time, and just simply pulling the plug. What good will keeping the Libranet adminmenu tools and installer hidden be? None. This is why copyright itself is bad. The "owner" can simply lose interest, and stop others from using what he's no longer interested in. In a true open society, we'd junk copyright as well as patents and trademarks. Bah with business and economics and all that bullshit. It only serves to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, it doesn't benefit society as a whole at all. Copyright et al are damaging to society, and we're going to see the results of this over the next 50-100 years. It isn't going to be pretty I might add.

Oh, and I'll stir the pot here. I'm mightily disappointed in Tal, as some time ago, I'd very briefly touched the point of GPL'ing adminmenu etc, and he'd said he'd wait till he got back from his trip to Israel and consider it. Whilst it wasn't a definite yes, I took it as a good and solid potential thing. I guess I read that book wrong. I kept my mouth shut on this particularly email up until now, out of respect to Tal and in memory of Jon and everything that Libranet did right. I didn't want to really badmouth Libranet etc. You can read my post and make your own minds up.

Cheers,

Dave

[AndreL]

What good will keeping the Libranet adminmenu tools and installer hidden be? None. This is why copyright itself is bad. The "owner" can simply lose interest, and stop others from using what he's no longer interested in.

Dave
I may be misinformed but... isn't Adminmenu just a frontend for some clever scripts? The interface may be copyrighted but can't anyone legally use (or reproduce) the scripts?

[danieldk]

Adminmenu is a complete application that we mostly wrote up from the ground in 3.0. Almost everything was handled by our own code. So, it is not a frontend for a bunch of scripts (although it was written in a scripting language). These are not licensed under a free license.

We have to keep in mind that for Tal Libranet is not just some piece of software, but it is a system and bussiness built up by and with his late father. So, there will always be an emotional attachment, and dumping the code on the net or seeing an open Libranet project stall would be painful. I know that Libranet also woudn't have been possible to build without the support of its users. But, please, bear mildness in your judgment.

[Mike]

I think Daniel's assessment is acurate.

"So, there will always be an emotional attachment, and dumping the code on the net or seeing an open Libranet project stall would be painful"

We (the community) was NOT able to come up with a commitment of resources to make project stall unlikely. The people who were saying SIMPLY "make it free" fail to realize that >90% of free projects DO stall. For a varirty of reasons, but mainly insufficient committed resources (the one or two developers get interested in some other project, have to go back to paid work, back to school, etc.)

I was part of that problem, not able to commit myself as a resource promised for "X hours in the next two years" or whatever.

[AndreL]

Adminmenu is a complete application that we mostly wrote up from the ground in 3.0. Almost everything was handled by our own code. So, it is not a frontend for a bunch of scripts (although it was written in a scripting language). These are not licensed under a free license.Thanks for the clarification, Daniel.